The truth is a lot easier to see when you stop assuming you already have it. - Mike Norton
You can quote CS Lewis, or any other teachers all day, no one will ever say - what did he say? Or make an excuse for them.
But start to quote Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, Taylor, McConkie, Hinckley (and the list goes on and on) to Mormons, and very soon you will hear the Mormon say "well they are just a man" or some other lame excuse. Wouldn't the issue be obvious (excuses for the Lord's Prophets)?
If your faith can move mountains, it should be able to withstand criticism. -Ruben2287 (from Reddit)
I am thankful for living Prophets who are inspired to change the doctrine of dead Prophets who were speaking in behalf of God, whose doctrine is unchangeable from all eternity to all eternity.
"For those who chose to believe, no amount of evidence is necessary.
For those who chose not to believe, no amount of evidence is sufficient."
-- Victor Shanti
“Selling eternal life is an unbeatable business, with no customers ever asking for their money back after the goods are not delivered.” ?Author and Nobel laureate Victor J. Stenger
It doesn't matter how beautiful your theory is, it doesn't matter how smart you are. If it doesn't agree with experiment, it's wrong. -Richard Feynman, physicist, Nobel laureate
"It's wrong to criticize leaders of the church, even if the criticism is true."
Dallin H. Oaks, 2007
PBS Mormons Documentary⁄JxyiHLg59ks
Elder Ballard can control the rain!⁄wmdmE0EItFo
“No true Latter-day Saint will ever take a stand that is in opposition to what the Lord has revealed to those who direct the affairs of his earthly kingdom. No Latter-day Saint who is true and faithful in all things will ever pursue a course, or espouse a cause, or publish an article or book that weakens or destroys faith.”  - Apostle Bruce R. McConkie, Conference Report, October 1984, p. 104
"When an honest man discovers he has been mistaken, he will either cease being mistaken, or he will cease being honest." - Anonymous
"Every absurdity has a champion to defend it." - Oliver Goldsmith
Pay no attention to these little flects of history... - Gordon B. Hinckley
"You can be given false spiritual messages. . .The spiritual part of us and the emotional part of us are so closely linked that it is possible to mistake an emotional impulse for something spiritual. We occasionally find people who receive what they assume to be spiritual promptings from God, when those promptings are either centered in the emotions or are from the adversary." (Boyd K. Packer, "The Candle of the Lord," Ensign, Jan. 1983 p. 53)
"My Mormon friends, I would return in a second were the truth on your side. It would be so easy, you'd simply show me the swords, chariots, the horses, the crops, the livestock, the DNA and I'd be there. But when you invest your entire life and want others to do the same, following a religion that claims divine revelation through a living prophet, but have to farm out the tough questions to the brain-trust in Provo (the apologists), when I have a stack of evidence a mile high that proves that book of yours is a pack of lies. Well, I am going to demand a hell of lot more from you than your personal testimony and a nice warm feeling in your gut. And, quite frankly, you should have a little self-respect and do the same."  - Mr. Deity Brian Dalton
"What if you're wrong?"
As far as Pascal’s wager is concerned, then I’m not too worried. If I am wrong, then my first question for God will be the one I have been asking all along. Why?
Why did you make the One True Church seem so obviously fraudulent if it was so important to my salvation? Why did you change your mind so often and about so many things that were supposed to be vital to our eternal welfare? Why did you seemingly go out of your way to make sure we couldn’t see the truth if we were honestly looking for it? Why did you send peaceful spiritual feelings to people who were worshiping all the wrong things, and withhold these feelings from others who were doing it all right? Why did you instruct me in my patriarchal blessing to seek an understanding of my world through science if I was not to use that understanding to evaluate my own faith? Why did you give me the ability to reason if you were only going to rise up and turn that ability against me? Was there really any other conclusion I could have come to? Finally, why would you judge me for making the only choice that made sense, given the circumstances that you placed me in? And if you really do all of these things then I only have one more question for you.  Why should I worship you and call you my God?
A Message for Judgmental Mormons
Pride didn't destroy my testimony, humility did. I was humble enough to admit that my deeply-held beliefs could be wrong.
Lies didn't destroy my testimony, honesty did. I learned many troubling facts about the church and was honest with myself about the implications of those facts.
Sin didn't destroy my testimony, righteousness did. Instead of trying to rationalize disturbing parts of church history and doctrine, I held true to my moral convictions.
Gordon B. Hinkley Says the LDS church doesn't believe in the same Christ as taught in the Bible.⁄tkMY88DZcGU
Apostle warns Gov. George Romney that he could be cursed with a violent death if he continues to support the 1964 Civil Rights Act. I can't believe I just found this.⁄wp-content⁄uploads⁄2008⁄01⁄delbert_stapley.pdf
There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me - you can't get fooled again. - George W. Bush
What's good about the church isn't unique and what's unique about the church isn't good.
“Forget everything that I have said, or what President Brigham Young or President George Q. Cannon or whomsoever has said in days past that is contrary to the present revelation. We spoke with a limited understanding and without the light and knowledge that now has come into the world. We get our truth and our light line upon line and precept upon precept. We have now had added a new flood of intelligence and light on this particular subject, and it erases all the darkness and all the views and all the thoughts of the past. They don't matter any more.”
- Bruce R. McConkie, in an address to CES employees entitled, "All are alike unto god" 1978
“When I became convinced that the universe is natural; that all the ghosts and gods are myths, there entered into my brain, into my soul, into every drop of my blood, the sense, the feeling, the joy of freedom. The walls of my prison crumbled and fell, the dungeon was flooded with light, and all the bolts, and bars, and manacles became dust. I was no longer a servant, a serf, or a slave. There was for me no master in all the wide world; not even in infinite space. I was free; free to think, to express my thoughts; free to live to my own ideal; free to use all my faculties, all my senses; free to spread imagination's wings; free to investigate, to guess and dream and hope; free to judge and determine for myself; free to reject all ignorant and cruel creeds, all the "inspired" books that savages have produced, and all the barbarous legends of the past; free from popes and priests; free from all the "called" and "set apart"; free from sanctified mistakes and holy lies; free from the fear of eternal pain; free from the winged monsters of the night; free from devils, ghosts, and gods.
For the first time I was free. There were no prohibited places in all the realms of thought; no air, no space, where fancy could not spread her painted wings; no chains for my limbs; no lashes for my back; no fires for my flesh; no master's frown or threat; no following another's steps; no need to bow, or cringe, or crawl, or utter lying words. I was free. I stood erect and fearlessly, joyously, faced all worlds.
And then my heart was filled with gratitude, with thankfulness, and went out in love to all the heroes, the thinkers who gave their lives for the liberty of hand and brain; for the freedom of labour and thought; to those who proudly mounted scaffold's stairs; to those whose flesh was scarred and torn; to those by fire consumed; to all the wise, the good, the brave of every land, whose thoughts and deeds have given freedom to the sons of men. And then I vowed to grasp the torch that they had held, and hold it high, that light might conquer darkness still.” (Robert. G. Ingersoll, "Why I Am Agnostic", 1896)
Science Misconceptions⁄teaching⁄misconceptions.php
MISCONCEPTION: Because scientific ideas are tentative and subject to change, they can't be trusted.
CORRECTION: Especially when it comes to scientific findings about health and medicine, it can sometimes seem as though scientists are always changing their minds. One month the newspaper warns you away from chocolate's saturated fat and sugar; the next month, chocolate companies are bragging about chocolate's antioxidants and lack of trans-fats. There are several reasons for such apparent reversals. First, press coverage tends to draw particular attention to disagreements or ideas that conflict with past views. Second, ideas at the cutting edge of research (e.g., regarding new medical studies) may change rapidly as scientists test out many different possible explanations trying to figure out which are the most accurate. This is a normal and healthy part of the process of science. While it's true that all scientific ideas are subject to change if warranted by the evidence, many scientific ideas (e.g., evolutionary theory, foundational ideas in chemistry) are supported by many lines of evidence, are extremely reliable, and are unlikely to change.
"Only civilized people have end of the world religious fantasies, because we are the only ones that live in a world that is so unpleasant that we would want it to end." -Ran Prieur
Debating Mormons is rather like trying to play chess with a pigeon; they knock the pieces over, crap on the board, and fly back to their ward to claim victory.
Debating Believers is rather like trying to play chess with a pigeon; they knock the pieces over, crap on the board, and fly back to their flock to claim victory.
Debating Mormons is rather like trying to play chess with a pigeon; they knock the pieces over, crap on the board, and fly back to their ward to claim victory.
Christianity is the belief that some cosmic Jewish Zombie can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him that you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree.
You know what they say about taking the easy way?
Well I could tell you, but that would be taking the easy way and you know what they say about that.  - Dr. Heinz Doofenshmirtz
“Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted.”
--Ralph Waldo Emerson
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That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.
A scientist will read many books in his lifetime and still know he has more to learn
A religious person only reads one book and thinks he knows everything
"Kissing Hanks Ass"⁄zaFZQBb2srM
It occurred to me that Moroni is a very fitting symbol for Mormonism: A wingless angel--a man made of gold, balanced on an untenable position, blowing a one-note trumpet.
It occurred to me that the Angel Moroni is a very fitting symbol for Mormonism: A wingless angel an idol made of gold, balanced on an untenable position, blowing a one-note trumpet.
So it says in 1 Corinthians 14:34 of the King James Bible
Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.  - 1 Corinthians 14:34
I say it should be so on Facebook as well.
On this planet, there exist literally thousands of religions⁄cults, each with its own particular god⁄s, each reveling in the certainty that they alone have it right, and each bewildered by the failure of all the others to recognize the obvious truth. Some of these religions, the large powerful proselytizing religions, are a little more adamant about the truth than others. Each claims to be the "One True Religion" (OTR) and all share a high level of disdain for Atheism. What seems lost on them is that in order to maintain their belief in the local OTR, they necessarily practice a rigorous and mandatory style of selective atheism. They just don't realize that they are doing it.
“Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.” - Marcus Aurelius (misattributed)
Imagine taking 4 years of Lord of the Rings classes that involve having you memorize important passages from each book and then interpreting each chapter and making lessons out of them.
Graduating from a Lord of the Rings curriculum is no more impressive or of an achievement as graduating seminary. It is a huge waste of time that can be spent obtaining actual academic knowledge.
Joseph is better than Jesus!
"God is in the still small voice. In all these affidavits, indictments, it is all of the devil--all corruption. Come on! ye prosecutors! ye false swearers! All hell, boil over! Ye burning mountains, roll down your lava! for I will come out on the top at last. I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him; but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet. - History of the Church, Vol. 6, pp. 408-409
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